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[zuckonitkinkeme.livejournal.com]

DISCUSSION POST

By request!

Got a funny/fitting captcha from a request? Got a macro to share from a fic/prompt? Wanna talk about what 'ships or kinks the meme has given you?

WANNA JUST DICUSS THINGS IN GENERAL?

DO IT HERE! you can still go anone but please avoid wanking where possible, guys. you're too good for that! :)

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think this fantastic piece of awesome should have a friending meme. Just sayin~

[raindropfloss.livejournal.com]

Dude, we had a huge friending meme over...here:

(http://thisissirius.livejournal.com/621697.html)



Late comments still go in inboxes! :) (http://thisissirius.livejournal.com/621697.html)

[lakeeffectgirl.livejournal.com]

Definitely not enough bondage in the kinkmeme. ;-)

[raindropfloss.livejournal.com]

I think the Winkelvii (spelling? don't actually care) would totally get in on that.

Not so sure about the Number One Pairing though.

[raindropfloss.livejournal.com]

I'm sleepy and cuddly (sort of, actually I'm kind of bitchy rn cause my parents woke me up before I had to BE up. THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.) and so... Um.

I am sad that Andrew and Jesse are two of the most adorable boys ever but still don't seem like they'd cuddle, to me. Damn boys who don't cuddle, I say.

[xbriyeon.livejournal.com]

I don't know, I think Eduardo would definitely be the type who'd like to cuddle, not so sure about Mark. If Mark did he'd be the type to never admit it though. xD

[(Anonymous)]

I have this unhealthy love for AU's. I still love canon, of course, but AU's are such a guilty pleasure. And

HI TSN FANDOM. Y U SO AWESOME.

[tenonthedot.livejournal.com]

Me too. I don't understand how people cannot love them!

[(Anonymous)]

FANDOM YOU SO QUALITY AND INSIGHTFUL I CANNOT EVEN DEAL.

That is all. Love you guys.

[casey_sms.livejournal.com]

I love this meme like Andrew loves Jesse...like the sun oh wait I never see that anymore because I'm hitting f5...I love it like Peter on ecstasy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHXi8h8H2VA). It makes me go stupid.

I hear there was clothes sharing at an awards show. Does anyone have links to this pretty pretty please?

In response to the above, this meme has given me Chris/Dustin xD DUSTIN WHY SO AWESOME.

A+

[tenonthedot.livejournal.com]

Approved.

[tenonthedot.livejournal.com]

IMA LET YOU FINISH IN A MINUTE, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS THE BEST FANDOM EVER.

And we should all be friends. :D

Moved from the 2nd thread.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this was the discussion about Zuckerberg knowing about the share dilution tactics, or if it was just Sean Parker and Peter Thiel. It kind of spun off into a bunch of other things that were kind of tl;dr for the prompt thread.
So here's where you discuss if they were really friends, why the hell would a business student give a CS major money ever, and how meta we can get with a movie within a movie within a fanfic within a fandom.
And stuff.

Re: Moved from the 2nd thread.

[(Anonymous)]

http://community.livejournal.com/tsn_kinkmeme/1522.html?thread=2483442#t2483442

link to the thread that sparked this :)

[(Anonymous)]

YOU GUYS I WENT TO A WEDDING AND IT WAS GLORIOUS I FELT LIKE GETTING MARRIED MYSELF AND I COULDN'T STOP STARING AT THE BRIDE SHE WAS SO BEAUTIFUL OH MY GOD



Only I can't prompt it just yet until I calm the fuck down and come up with something more solid. BUT YES I WANT GETTING MARRIED FIC SO MUCH RIGHT NOW.

[(Anonymous)]

lol oh god ME TOO ME TOO I am such a giant sap and I just want wedding fics in alllll of my fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if this has been mentioned because I just skimmed through the comments but to add fuel to the fire on the subject of the RL!people. Sean Parker has stated that he's still friends with Eduardo to this day. I don't know if this is relevant in any way, I'm just throwing it out there.

[(Anonymous)]

Posted in the wrong place, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone even want to SEE awkward sex? As in, 'just can't be aroused no matter how hard the other one tries'. I'm not writing for a prompt, but this is one of the scenes i've vaguely planned and I'm not sure anyone even wants to read that. I'm willing to try but I've never written it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. I love that whole spectrum of bad sex, awkward sex, sex involving people who are not into it. They are great opportunities for realism, hilarity, and/or angst.

The problems with prompting for hooker!fic

[alicedawkins.livejournal.com]

So, I just wanna prompt for hooker!fic so bad, but I have this thing with realism (yeah, the girl obsessing over the inexistent love affair between the fictionalized versions of people has a thing for realism...I'm not even going to pretend that makes sense), and I want to be role-playing, cause AUs are totally not my thing, but I don't want it to be PWP cause I think it's important that the roleplaying feels realistic (like, why would they choose to roleplay like that? I wanna see the conversation leading to it, I wanna see how it is they got the idea)

And I'd feel bad prompting something so vaguely specific, like ''Anything with hooker!roleplay, but please make sure I can understand their motivations for that roleplay, would you?'' so I just sit here and read the AU hooker!fic, and hope that's enough.

Tough I'm totally prompting something where Mark thinks Wardo's a hooker when they meet for the first time after someone fills my most recent prompt.

Re: The problems with prompting for hooker!fic

[tenonthedot.livejournal.com]

So the hooker!fic WIP doesn't float your boat?

I think you should go ahead and prompt it. I would read the shit out of that.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope this is the right place to post this (and if not, mod, pls feel free to delete), but I am trying to work out the chronology of the depositions based on the script. (For massive WIP fic, not just my own amusement)

Going by the RL timeline it seems like most of the legal stuff goes down in 2006-2007, correct?

http://valleywag.gawker.com/#!280901/a-brief-history-of-mark-zuckerbergs-legal-woes

Which means that from the point of "lawyer up, asshole" (end of 2004) to the two lawsuits would be like, two and a half years?

If anyone knows this better than me, could you chime in? Ta in advance. xx

[casey_sms.livejournal.com]

OMG. THIS THIS THIS.

I also want to know exactly when the depositions are and when they end or at least roughly enough. I've been vague about it because I honestly don't know but it's annoying because I can't seem to find when...thus I can't really estimate the age of the characters when they reconcile. /sigh.

For some reason I seem to find the settlement really only happened in 2009? But that would make lawsuit uber long O_O so I have no idea.

[(Anonymous)]

I just started watching Misfits. (25 minutes into the first episode rn.) I should probably find the kinkmeme and comm later, but for now, who here loves it?

There's this thought in the back of my head going 'MISFITS AU MISFITS AU' (Eduardo getting in for hitting it Dad haha) but I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.

[xbriyeon.livejournal.com]

Misfits is amazing, I love Nathan now -- and initially he was the character I hated the most lol

[(Anonymous)]

so i know we have a host of escort!wardo prompts but i kind of want a different take on it?

(i've searched delicious/the prompts and i dont think this has actually been prompted yet)

mark hires eduardo as his escort to a major function for something just to stop people talking about how single/alone he is. however, he actually finds that he LIKES eduardo and eduardo doesn't balk at mark's attitude like most people do. they have a good time and eduardo's actually intelligent so mark appreciates him more. chris and dustin like him too, which is a bonus.

he starts asking for eduardo more and more and eduardo knows it's bad for business but he kind of likes mark a lot.

eventually i kind of want a happy ending? maybe with wardo actually leaving the escort service because mark's jealousy is endearing but dangerous and he kind of loves mark a lot, so.

tl;dr; eduardo is an escort, mark hires him. over time mark loves him a lot more than he should. HAPPY ENDING.

[(Anonymous)]

oops, wrong place. please delete?

Kinks...

[(Anonymous)]

So, what kind of kinks do you think the characters have - TSN-wise *or* RPS-wise? ;)

I'm perfectly aware that IRL one's personality does not determine the types of kink one is interested in, but the same could go for how a character behaves during vanilla sex, as well, and, of course, we take a character's personality into consideration even when we write *that*.

Re: Kinks...

[(Anonymous)]

Mark is such a cypher that there isn't much that wouldn't be credible at all.

Personally I suspect everyone of being hopelessly unimaginative and unadventurous when it comes to kinks. Except Sean who seems like the type to be lol edgy for its own sake. Which is worse.

[(Anonymous)]

GUYS GUYS GUYS, THE AUDIO COMMENTARY

ANDREW FANGIRLING THE MANY FACES OF MAZZELLO (OUR FAVORITE BOY!)
ARMIE AND JOSH PLAYING A PRANK ON MAX (DIVYA'S INDIAN ACCENT ROFL)
JESSE ALMOST CHOKING ON HIS ANTI-DEPRESSANT IN A GARLIC CAPSULE DURING A SHOOT AND WAS TOO AFRAID TO ASK FOR WATER

just. the many adorable/LOLsome conversations they had in the audio commentary. i can't even. please come flail with me if you still can't wipe the grin off of your face.

[(Anonymous)]

It dawned on me that the whole time I've been participating in this fandom, I've been imagining the Chris in fics as real!Chris Hughes. Let me explain.

I have the biggest trouble focusing. So when I watch movies, I either miss a lot of details or I notice them, but cannot remember them at all right after. One such detail happened to be actor!Chris Hughes' face. He appeared in so little scenes I completely forgot his face. Hence, real!Chris Hughes, whose face I don't know why I remember better than anyone else's from the real life team.

ohgodohgodohgod I'm going to find screencaps and memorize actor!Chris Hughes' face now. You guys. Is it weird I've been imagining the real dude. Oh my god you guys.

[(Anonymous)]

This reminds me of that one fandomsecret where someone confessed that sometimes they imagine the real Mark when reading TSN fic. Although I guess I am not sure if that's all that weird considering thr blurry lines between canon, RPF, mentioning the movie in-fic, meta-ficcing the kinkmeme, and pairing up Jesse/Mark for some real mindfuckery.

[(Anonymous)]

Hypothetically, if I wanted to make an anon meme for this fandom, would anyone actually be interested?

[(Anonymous)]

I might be because I love talking about the movie and the cast but I don't really use my LJ anymore, but idk, anon memes lead to wank sooner or later and I enjoy having a relatively wank-free fandom for once.

please forgive my ignorance/forgetfulness

[(Anonymous)]

Um... so, I've seen TSN exactly once, which was when it came out back in October.

In the interest of fic writing, I was wondering if there is an official reference to Eduardo's father after the shares are diluted. In a lot of fic, his father stops talking to him or kicks him out or what have you and I was wondering if that was a fanon thing or if Eduardo actually says something in the movie in reference to a negative interaction with his father. Any clarification on the subject would be most helpful.

Re: please forgive my ignorance/forgetfulness

[thisissirius.livejournal.com]

During the depositions, Eduardo says my father won't even look at me which os where a lot of it comes from.

a little frustrated but no hate intended!

[(Anonymous)]

i love the fandom on tumblr, though i don't own one and man, when a tumblr change urls i get sad. 1)i don't know where or how to find them and 2)all the links i'd saved to pimp the fandom to friends is broken. :(

Airports

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen at least a few fics that mention Mark or Eduardo flying in to LAX/Los Angeles to get to Facebook.

Facebook is in Palo Alto. The driving distance between Palo Alto and Los Angeles is about 350 miles, or 6 hours on a good day. San Francisco, on the other hand, is about 45 minutes away from Palo Alto.

If someone was flying to Palo Alto from another state, or even another country (like Singapore), they'd probably fly into either San Francisco International (SFO) or San Jose International (SJC), both of which are pretty big airports.

oscars!!

[(Anonymous)]

so you all are going to be around to hold my hand throughout the ceremony tonight, right?

or at least hopefully there will be a post up at mark_eduardo to comfort be or something.

ahh! can't believe the night is finally here.

Re: oscars!!

[alicedawkins.livejournal.com]

My brother's friends are taking the TV in the living room to watch Mission Impossible:2 and I don't wanna leave the computer, so I won't be watching the Oscars. Damn you Tom Cruise!

[alicedawkins.livejournal.com]

So, I've just bought the book, I'm in the part where the Winklevii ask Mark if he wants to help them with their site. Obviously, I'm reading it with slashy goggles on (and can't help but picture Andrew/Jesse, not the RL people).

Three things I found pretty interesting:

1 - The book opens with a nervous, uncomfortable Eduardo, trying to impress some members of the Phoenix clube. The thing he does to calm himself down? Thinks abt the night he met Mark...not the first time they talked, mind you. First time he noticed Mark at a party.

2 - The first time they talk, he asks if Mark wants to walk with him to their dorms. Then, talks abt a party that he says ''it's probably gonna be shitty'', but invites Mark to it anyway, even tough they're just coming from a party, and tells Mark that, when he gets into the Phoenix, he's recomending Mark. (he's known the guy for like, what, 40 minutes?)

3 - When they get to their dorms and are saying bye, Mark asks ''And did everything happened the way you wanted?'' (smn who's read the original can please provide the exact words?) I don't know what to make of this sentence.

[(Anonymous)]

"Was it everything you hoped it would be?" is the sentence Mezrich uses, whether it was ever really said is somewhat doubtful and if it was what 'it' means was deliberatedly left open but IMO it sounds like the famous last words. So probably poetic license especially since in a real convo Eduardo Saverin would have asked what Mark meant with it.

On the book... Well, I am the anon who believes that both Saverin and Zuckerberg have really good reasons to downplay the extent to which they were BFFs - Zuckerberg because it makes him more of a shitty person, and Saverin because it makes him less of a shrewd investor, so in both cases their professional reputation is on the line, not to mention that it is reasonable to assume that they both might be still bitter about it.

On the other hand it is possible that Mezrich uses the friendship angle to make the book more dramatic. I would read with a lot of salt in both directions, actually. They might have been better friends that the book shows and possibly even lesser friends than the book suggests.

TRIGGER: Sexual Assault, Rape Culture, Differing Views of Feminism,

[discordantcat.livejournal.com]

http://community.livejournal.com/tsn_kinkmeme/3654.html?thread=4056646#t4056646

While I'm linking this here, I want to say that so far everyone involved in this incredibly sensitive issue has been careful and respectful, I hope my own comments included. THANK YOU ALL. Disagreeing respectfully about these issues is so difficult even in face to face, moderated environments, and I cannot express how impressed I am with everyone for not taking advantage of anonymity to be careless.

Re: TRIGGER: Sexual Assault, Rape Culture, Differing Views of Feminism,

[alicedawkins.livejournal.com]

Someone there wrote:

'I disagree that slash fiction is inherently feminist, especially when discourse about male characters and experiences overwhelmingly outweighs discourse about women's experiences, and when, as you say, the dominant depiction of women, to the extent that it exists, is strongly negative. A queer space is not inherently a feminist one.''

and I feel the need to rant a little:

I don't think a lack of ''women's narratives'', whatever they are, makes it something non-feminist. In fact, I think it's a little weird to say there's a predominance of ''discourse about male experiences'' when those experiences are being, in the overwhelming majority, written by women, even if they focus on male characters.

I can't honestly understand (it's not that I can't see the point people are making when they say this...it just doesn't resonate with me emotionally at all) what some women mean by not being able to see themselves in fiction (any kind, not just slash). I was so perplexed when I saw ppl complaining abt the lack of ''good female characters'' on TSN. I didn't even notice that! So what if I couldn't relate to any of the female-bodied ppl on screen? I was too busy relating to Mark...and, to a certain extent, to Eduardo!

I don't need the ppl I relate to you in fiction to have the same set of genitals as I do (not that everyone with the same set of genitals as me is going to think of themselves as a woman, obviously). To me, is just irrelevant. Yes, when I see a well-written female character, like Shoshana in Inglorious Bastards, I'm thrilled. But not because I'm more able to relate to her than I am to male characters. I'm thrilled because a lot of writers stereotype their female characters, and it's nice when smn gets it right.

So, what I (think) I mean by this long, rambly, sleep-deprived rant is:

Do I think slash fanfiction is inherently feminist? No, I don't. But that's not because we write abt male characters and ''male experiences'' (I have to put quotes around that. What are ''male experiences'' after all? Is there necessarily a diference from them to ''female experiences'' besides the body of the person experiencing them? I only say that because I mostly relate to male characters, so their experiences resonate with me.)

I think it's not inherently feminist because it's born from a kink. We don't know why we have the kinks we have. Basically, the first thing that gets us to slash is the fact we're attracted by love and/or sex between two men. We might stay for diferent reasons, we might learn slash is so much more than that, but that's the reason most of us find out it exists in the first place.

And all sorts of women have this kink. Women from all backgrounds and all kind of opinions, and you can see some of them are actually pretty sexist and borderline homophobic in the way they write one of the men in the pairing as ''the girl'' (weak, submissive, needy) and one of them as ''the man'' (be it the knight in shiny armour or the cold, emotionally unavaliable, tough guy who-loves-his-partner-in-his-own-way). And the way they make their character's female interests The Bitch From Hell.

But I think one of the reasons I'm atracted to slash is because it frees us from gender expectations. They're so overwhelming in our culture that it takes a great writer to not be somehow tainted by them when writing male/female pairings. Because I think real world gender inequality issues would inevitably bleed into fic.

Like, think abt the fics where Mark borderlines stalks Eduardo to get him back. Cute in a disfunctional way, right? Now, imagine Eduardo is a woman. Think abt the fics where Eduardo greatly sacrifices himself for Mark, giving him everything with so little in return, just waiting for the day Mark gets a clue. Romantic and heartbreaking in a good way, right? Now, imagine Eduardo's a woman, and try reading that without thinking abt the women you know who do that sort of thing for jerks because they've been told their entire lives ''boys will be boys'' and you better tolerate that because you can't be happy without a man by your side. So, I think slash fanfiction puts characters in an actually equal position and, looking back, it's one of the reasons I always loved same-sex romantic stories.